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Xenomortis · Jul 27, 2010, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

Very interesting. I guess they are indeed "non-human"... but that would be a bug, surely?

EoE only triggers when creatures are below 90% health.
Test with Disease if you're uncertain on their species.

Xiaquin · Jul 27, 2010, 11:05 PM // 23:05

I haven't used EoE to great effect, but as long as you are careful it shouldn't be a problem. One problem is it's not a good idea if you are taking minions, since they're always dying and <90% hp.

I find it fitting irony that this skill is being discussed at the final quest to protect Salma's life. If you grew up in Prophecies like me, you first "meet" Salma with a quest that rewards this skill.

Xenomortis · Jul 27, 2010, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

I find it fitting irony that this skill is being discussed at the final quest to protect Salma's life. If you grew up in Prophecies like me, you first "meet" Salma with a quest that rewards this skill.

How on earth is that ironic?

Xiaquin · Jul 27, 2010, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I meant it as a humorous coincidence that I wasn't expecting. We can leave semantics aside though, can't we? It was very interesting to me.

biofrog · Jul 28, 2010, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by Xiaquin

I meant it as a humorous coincidence that I wasn't expecting. We can leave semantics aside though, can't we? It was very interesting to me.

Interesting yes, but just as interesting as remembering where on Ascalon you picked up a skill from! Far too many skills, bosses and locations for me to remember that

Anyway, y'all can rest easy, I finished it at last.

Personally I think I was right, of course, heh. Several more tries, and in between each I would check for BLA parties. Well I had to wait till 2 AM (which will make my work today interesting..) but someone finally popped up for the battle.

First try, two actual people, 4 heroes, no consumables and we did it first go.

We did get pushed back to the throne room, and died a few times, and still made it.

Just goes to show, the henchies are bloody awful. AI fail, lack of skills available by Lions Arch, level 10.. I dunno which it is, but not using them is the best choice by far. Hell once I went in with just 3 heroes and still got to the end two groups of jade cloaks. Coincidently the same place I got to on hard mode also.

Thus, our party did it with:
Me: Sav Heat AoE ele, Healers Boon monk, Spiteful Spirit Necro, Signet of Spirits Rit and
Him: Balthazar dervish, Panic mesmer

Moral of the story, find another person! (even if it means working on 5 hours sleep)

Daesu · Jul 28, 2010, 03:54 AM // 03:54

I did it with 4 heroes and 1 afk player (my second account) that doesn't attack but follows me around by selecting my main char and pressing space bar.

Did it with my rit using this build: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/User:DarkS...s_Rit_Daesuway

Aldric · Jul 28, 2010, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Carboplatin

i've used EoE, didn't have a problem with my team wiping.

Had EoE up when i did it aswell without any problems for my team

Sword Hammer Axe · Jul 28, 2010, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Oh come on! People have been complaining that there's not enough challenges in the game and when there finally comes a true challenge you complain about the level of difficulty?? This is ridiculous!

Not to mention: Omg it's really not that hard! If you can find just 1 other skilled person with heroes, then you're good to go, assumming you have a plan instead of just waltzing in like some idiot.
Hell if you're good at using you heroes and have a strategic mind, then you can even do it with just heroes o.0 I myself haven't been able to do that, but I know someone who has. He placed a ranger and a monk on top of the cliff where the ranger could do extra damage with his Splinter Weapon/barrage and altitude bonus, while the monk could stay in relative safety and heal the ones who held out below, which was his MM hero and himself (dervish tank) and a summoned Ooze. While this was extremely difficult and took a while, he ended up completing it, with just 4 party members!
Well moving on from this story (I'm still stunned at the feat lol), it proves that it's possible to do.

Morphy · Jul 28, 2010, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Sword Hammer Axe

Oh come on! People have been complaining that there's not enough challenges in the game and when there finally comes a true challenge you complain about the level of difficulty?? This is ridiculous!

People need to stop bringing bs like this up. Not everyone wanted PvE to be harder, much like not everyone wanted Mesmers to be powercreeped. It only makes sense that the people who didn't support it and found evidence as to why it causes problems will come back and complain about it. That makes this complaint of yours ridiculous.

CagedinSanity · Jul 28, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

I've only done Riverside Assassination so far (coming back from running out of WoW money again) and it was rough. One wipe H/Hing because of level 15 henches. Then hired a player who brought a hero, and it went pretty smoothly. One death at the Ether Seal but we figured it out.

Not a fan of over-challenging things myself, though. Trying to find non-suck people wastes time and patience. I've H/H'd most of the game several times by now and don't like pigeonholed into playing with people that will ruin everything.
Yes, it's an MMO. But I use that aspect for discussion, guilds, and alliances.

Daesu · Jul 30, 2010, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Morphy

People need to stop bringing bs like this up. Not everyone wanted PvE to be harder, much like not everyone wanted Mesmers to be powercreeped. It only makes sense that the people who didn't support it and found evidence as to why it causes problems will come back and complain about it. That makes this complaint of yours ridiculous.

The problem with that is, when people complained that PvE was too easy and should be harder, none of you guys stepped up to defend it.

There is no pleasing everyone, but you people who want PvE to be easier need to be more vocal if you want your needs to be met.

Xiaquin · Jul 30, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Daesu

/snip

The real problem is you can't please everyone. Ultimately, fine tune the difficulty on your own by making it more challenging. If someone complains the difficulty is too easy, that's too bad. I'm not saying PvE buffs didn't cause this, but sure as heck they're not going to be reverted, so you might as well accept it.

Commander Kanen · Jul 31, 2010, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Daesu

I did it with 4 heroes and 1 afk player (my second account) that doesn't attack but follows me around by selecting my main char and pressing space bar.

Did it with my rit using this build: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/User:DarkS...s_Rit_Daesuway

So you used a bot ?

Daesu · Jul 31, 2010, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Commander Kanen

So you used a bot ?

No, I used a afk second account char with his RoJ hero. My rit brings 2 necros and 1 rit heroes. No cons.

Hyper Cutter · Jul 31, 2010, 03:45 AM // 03:45

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Originally Posted by majoho

Yeah seriously what's the point in having two level 10 henchmen, they could easily just make them level 20 when you activate the quest.

That should happen for all War in Kryta content, for that matter.

tommaso · Jul 31, 2010, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Well i was having real trouble making this quest, than i read this topic and found usefull info. Panic mesmer rly kicks ass in this quest. I was already a barrage ranger. The group: a resonable tank warrior, a reasonable (but kinda suicidal) SS necro, 2 splinter/barrage rangers (me and another good one), mesmer hero (panic + other area comination spells), healer hero. it worked on the 1st try, but we wiped like 3 times, mostly because the SS necro was always in the front, sometimes ahead of the tank, which wasnt very helpful.

Sarevok Thordin · Aug 01, 2010, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Done it with a PuG

My War was using Defy/GDA and supported by a player monk/rit

It's absolutely HILARIOUS watching all the 0s on your screen followed by the splinter barrage proceeding to tear apart everyone agroed on you.

Also, playing the Samurai Sentai Shinkenger opening theme during it makes it feel extra epic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbex...eature=related

Lol enough Tokusatsu nerding.

The mission was incredibly fun, I imagine the next part of beyond will deal with the search for Thackeray, unless the team want to add in bits showing the outcomes of Kisu and Joko.

WinterSnowblind · Aug 01, 2010, 01:25 PM // 13:25

I thought the mission itself was fun, but I generally agree with the OP. They seem a bit too hard, and if you're trying to play them solo - which seems to be the direction the game is trying to go, it's more or less impossible.

MisterB · Aug 02, 2010, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

I thought the mission itself was fun, but I generally agree with the OP. They seem a bit too hard, and if you're trying to play them solo - which seems to be the direction the game is trying to go, it's more or less impossible.

It's not impossible to complete this with heroes and henchmen. There's no such thing as "more or less impossible." I've completed BLA along with all of WiK H/H, and so have a number of other posters in this thread. I'll grant that it is definitely challenging, but then it is an end game Difficulty: Master quest.

It is extremely annoying that the henchmen are so weak, but they make fair meat sacks for minions.

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Essence, Grail, summon (Juggernaut from a mysterious summon), and rainbow canes used. Rit and mesmer bar were thrown together and they were not properly equipped. I don't play either class. Team wiped once when the Jade or Musaat showed up; I forget. I believe it was Perfected Armor's group that wrecked us.

El Perma Shadow · Aug 02, 2010, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Kelfer

If they're gonna make something this tricky they might at least let us have a party of 8 w. lvl 20 hench, otherwise this is just a joke!

Glad to see you play with the other people in the community who have a brain not run by a C++ code